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mirkspac
16th May 2006, 17:31
Gastric empying at birth: good or bad practice?
My opinion is that it is equivalent to throw away the first reserve of feed.
Mirko Spacapan
NICU Udine ITALY

Alexander Rakow
19th May 2006, 19:57
Dear Mirko,
to my opinion there is no general need in doing so, i consider the trauma by unneccesary suction higher than the theoretical benefit of it. You might just get vagal stimulation.
Our practice at the Karolinska Hospital is no suction if there is no special need for it.
Alexander Rakow
Karolinska Hospital
Dep. of Neonataology

manberbenitez
24th May 2006, 02:20
Dear Mirko:
Here in Mexico, there is a routine to make a gastric lavage at born,personally I think there is no reason to do it, some neonates that swallowed a regular amount of maternal blood, probably have some intolerance feeding at the begining, but are very few, so in general I consider that this practice have no reason to do it

Liliroom
15th August 2006, 09:50
Hello ,I am a NICU RN working a neonatologist that use only the bulb suction
so most of the babies are having trouble feeding or need gastric lavage.
I n my opinion if the first suction was done deeply so no need for routine gastric lavage.
RN-NICU

manuel perez valdez
11th September 2006, 08:48
hi,
in Guatemala, at Roosevelt Hospital specialy, there is a routine to make a gastric lavage at born, because you can made the diagnosis esophageal atresia, duodenale atresia, coanal nasal atresia.

kpsanghvi
23rd September 2006, 08:30
No need unless the infant is vomiting whether there is MSL or not.

Regards

K P Sanghvi

musara
26th October 2006, 23:33
no need unless the baby is vomiting

DrZeeshan Ahmed
1st November 2006, 13:49
In our unit at naval hosp Karachi Pakistan,we only do gastric lavage if baby is vomiting repeatedly or has coffee ground aspirate but not as a routine.I consider routine lavages as unneccessary and could potentially lead to vagal stimulation.

sbarak
2nd November 2006, 13:12
We are doing gastric lavage only when we know about bloody amniotic fluid and the baby is at risk of aspirating the bloody amniotic fluid.
I think ,routinly it's not needed ,because it can make vagal stimulation.Don' foget even more serious complication such as perforation.

Mariam
2nd November 2006, 17:35
gastric lavage should not be done as a routine care. The newborn usually will tell you if he is gonna need one...

hehady
4th November 2006, 00:46
In our unit routine gastric suction is not recommended. However if there is MSAF we do recommend it.

Please look at the following related refernces:

Anand KJS, Runeson B, Jacobson B. Gastric suction at birth associated
with long-term risk for functional intestinal disorders in later life. J Pediatr
2004;144:449-54.

Conklin LS, Perlman JM, Wyckoff MH. Gastric suction at birth.
J Pediatr. 2005 Jan;146(1):152-3; author reply 153.

nand KJ, Jacobson B, Hall RW. Gastric suction at birth: not an innocent bystander.J Pediatr. 2004 Nov;145(5):714;

Di Lorenzo C, Saps M. Gastric suction in newborns: guilty as charged or innocent bystander? J Pediatr. 2004 Apr;144(4):417-20.

Regards

doc4tots
16th December 2006, 03:21
Many will claim that this procedure is needed to clear blood and mucus so as to prevent vomiting/aspiration. The risk of the procedure includes bradycardia, trauma, and removing what is, the infant's first meal. We do not do this in our NICU.

pooperscooperrn0624
12th January 2007, 21:46
Routing suctioning isn't necessary in most cases. We insert og tubes to open drain for decompressiong and only suction if infant is spitting and choking on mucous or swallowed blood.

bbmt
1st March 2007, 12:29
Hi all,

What is your opinion about gastric scution after meconium aspiration. Is it a good parctice or do they have different views. We have found decreased frequency of vomiting or feeding problems after suctioning.

BBMT

MakharadzeGivi
21st May 2007, 22:58
Our practice at the NMC of Georgia perinatal centre is no suction if there is no special need for it.

162761
4th June 2007, 13:24
I believe Drs. Narchi and Kulaylat published a study where they showed that this practice is not necessary.
Narchi H, Kulaylat N.Is gastric lavage needed in neonates with meconium-stained amniotic fluid? Eur J Pediatr. 1999 Apr;158(4):315-7.

Velaphi S, Vidyasagar D. Intrapartum and postdelivery management of infants born to mothers with meconium-stained amniotic fluid: evidence-based recommendations.Clin Perinatol. 2006 Mar;33(1):29-42, v-vi. Review.

Oussama Itani, MD;FAAP;FACN
Clinical Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Human Development- Michigan State University & Kalamazoo Center for Medical Studies
Director of Neonatology
Borgess Medical Center
1521 Gull Road
Kalamazoo, MI 49048
Phone: (269)-226-5778
Fax: (269)-226-5998
email: oussama@pol.net

fiona
9th May 2008, 23:37
infant dictates if gastric lavage is necessary

rajmed
13th July 2008, 16:07
No doubt it's bad. How can we welcome some one to this world by putting a plastic tube in his mouth or nose when it's not indicated. I think it's more dangerous and harmful than beneficial. Most of the normal deliveries which are not attainded by qualified medical practitioners, nothing is done in such babies. These babies are given straight way to mother for feeding and they go home after three day.

Kumarsand
30th August 2008, 17:45
In our hospital we routinely do gastric lavage in those newborn who need NICU admission because most of them are sick and there are chances of aspiration. Also it rule out choanal atresia,TEF and esophageal atresia. However we do not do this in well newborns.

drprasadrao
31st August 2008, 21:42
Routine gastric lavage is unnecessary we do it only in case of ceasarean sections where there is thick pasty meconium to prevent aspiration after regurgitation. Do you do the same? Or some of us believe in generalisation & not sure of preventive medicine?

devinder chopra
30th September 2008, 21:44
It is a very good practise and I have done it for over 30 yrs.

It not only empties the stomach but helps you pickup oesophageal atresia and upper GI obstruction right at birth.

Gastric aspirates of >20-25 ml are highly suggestive on upper GI obstruction

SAEED ABDELAATY MABROUK
19th October 2008, 11:13
OF COURSE ,IT'S NOT A ROUTINE,ONLY ON ANTICIPATING EA OR TEF IN CASE OF POLY- HYDRAMNIOS,OR IN THICK MECONIUM OR IN TOO MUCH SWAALLOWED MATERNAL BLOOD& FOR GASTRIC DECOMPRESSION IN SOME CASES LIKE CDH